Can't remember where I saw the picture, but it didn't look
too much like an exact copy ?  

There were a lot of 4s and prototypes in the early years,
and they all bear a broad similarity to each other in many
features, so a fair dose of copying was very much the order
of the day back even then ??  (ever notice how many modern
bikes, and cars too, look a lot like each other ??)

Cheers,
Rohan.

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Hi , I've heard rumours of a 1925 Patria , does anyone know
anything about these fours from Spain , they look very much
like an Ace , were they made under licence ??? are any in
existance ??? Thanks for your time , Ken